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Terry Hicks speaks with WSWS
Father of Australian Guantanamo Bay prisoner denounces Howard
government
By Richard Phillips
14 September 2004
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In late August, Terry and Beverly Hicks, the parents of 29-year-old
Australian citizen David Hicks, who was captured in Afghanistan
and has remained incarcerated in Guantanamo Bay for more than
two and half years, were allowed two brief meetings with their
son at the infamous prison camp. They also attended the hearing
where David was arraigned before a Pentagon military commission
on charges of conspiracy to commit war crimes, aiding the enemy
and attempting to murder US and coalition forces in Afghanistan.
He could face a lifetime jail sentence if found guilty of these
trumped-up charges.
The commissions, which were established by the Bush administration
as part of its so-called war on terror, allow statements
extracted under torture, permit hearsay evidence and deny the
accused any right of appeal. They have been rightly condemned
as kangaroo courts by human and legal rights organisations
internationally and within America.
Last week, Australias Howard government, the only administration
in the world not to have called for the release of its citizens
from Guantanamo Bay, announced that it would be raising some concerns
with the US about the tribunals, but refused to provide any details.
When asked by the media to elaborate, Foreign Minister Alexander
Downer said the government wanted to discuss improvements
in procedural aspects of the trials.
This sudden concern is entirely cynical and has
nothing to do with defending democratic rights. Rather, it is
motivated by fears that domestic opposition to Canberras
collaboration with the Bush administration in the detention of
Hicks, fellow Australian Mamdouh Habib and hundreds of other prisoners
in Guantanamo Bay in violation of the Geneva Conventions will
have a detrimental impact on Howards election campaign.
Prime Minister John Howard and senior government ministers,
who have publicly slandered Hicks and Habib as terrorists,
violating presumption of innocence principles on numerous
occasions, are increasingly regarded as pariahs by human rights
organisations around the world.
On September 7, Clive Stafford-Smith, who represented two British
prisonersShafiq Rasul and Asif Iqbalreleased this
year from Guantanamo Bay, told BBC television that Howard was
primarily responsible for Hicks being the first prisoner brought
before a military tribunal. After denouncing the tribunals as
a legal travesty, Stafford-Smith said: The reason they are
going to prosecute [Hicks] first is that the most craven politician
in the world right now is John Howard.
A day later, Amnesty International secretary-general chief
Irene Khan slammed the Howard government over its human rights
record. Delivering a public lecture in South Australia, Khan said
Hicks was facing a blatantly unfair trial and that
the Australian government had betrayed its own citizens
by sanctioning the military trials. She said that human rights
and international law were confronting the most sustained assault
in 50 years but the Howard government, far from resisting
those attacks, is contributing to them.
Terry Hicks spoke last week with the World Socialist Web
Site following his return from Guantanamo Bay and commented
on the meeting with his son, the nature of the military tribunals
and the Howard government.
Richard Phillips: Could you give readers an overview
of the hearing and your meetings with David?
Terry Hicks: It was really difficult. Beverly and I
were absolutely exhausted from the 30-hour trip, the weather was
very hot and all sorts of feelings were racing through my mind.
Obviously it was a great relief to know we were finally going
to see David, but at the same time I was apprehensive about how
the meeting would go.
The first meeting with David was a bit rushed. We had to walk
down a long corridor and they had armed guards the full length
of it and five military blokes ushered us in. Id never seen
so many soldiers guarding one person.
We were told we had 10 minutes but got another five and most
of that was spent telling him about the familyhow everyone
wasand explaining the support he has, not only in Australia,
but around the world. He was overcome with emotion because even
though Major Mori and Steve Kenny [Davids military and civilian
lawyers] have told him, its different when your own family
can explain it. I told him he had to realise that although there
were a lot of people that didnt like him, there were many
more that were very concerned about what was happening to him.
He was manacled to the floor via his leg irons. These were
removed before he was taken into the hearingthey didnt
want to show that to the media. I coped with that all right, because
I knew what to expect, but Bev was a bit upset.
The military then took us into the hearing, which was very
interesting. Each panel member had to fill out a questionnaire30
questionsand I was shocked by what came out.
One panel member was a friend of the judge who appointed himhed
been at his wedding, at family barbecues and his wife worked at
his office. It was incredible. We could probably call one of the
panel members as a witness because he was involved in logistics
in Afghanistan and the transport of David to Guantanamo Bay. Another
had a close friend who died in the Twin Towers but he claimed
that he would not be emotionally involved in the trials. How can
you believe that? If you think the people you are trying were
involved in some way in the World Trade Center attack, then how
can you be unbiased?
Even the judge, who had retired from the military, was brought
back to serve on the hearing and because of that he gets an extra
20 percent superannuation payment. How can these people not be
biased?
All sorts of thoughts were racing through my mind. Its
obvious that the tribunal has nothing to do with normal legal
procedures, but is geared up for the military. The defence raised
19 points of objection, which will be ruled on in November, and
it was good when David stood and said not guilty to all the charges.
RP: This was important and courageous.
TH: Thats right because theyve done some
terrible things to him and put him under a lot of pressure. By
the same token, Ive told him, For Christs sake
dont buckle under and plead guilty to anything.
At one stage I think he might have considered pleading guilty,
in the hope that he would get back to Australia. When the Australian
contingent met him in 2002 they told him, Tell them everything
and youll get home. But, as David said to me, Im
still waiting.
Although he still has his sense of humour and joked about being
the first prisoner to get a visit from his family, he is not coping
very well. He said it was really tough in solitary. At one stage
he would see his guards every day, but now he is in total isolation.
They have a camera watching him 24 hours a day, whether he is
at the toilet or whatever, and no privacy whatsoever.
RP: How did you get there?
TH: The government gave us nothing so we had to get
there on our own resources. We were very fortunate though, because
a very kind person in Sydney raised the money for us. We couldnt
have made it otherwise, or at least we would have had to borrow
the money to get there. This trip really knocked me around, physically
and mentally, but Ill be taking time off work to attend
the trial in January.
RP: You had a second meeting with David.
TH: Yes, after the hearing, and he just opened up. He
told us that he had endured two 10-hour beatings in Afghanistan
and was also subjected to some pretty horrific and very demented
things. He was very stressed about it and kept having flashbacks,
but had to tell someone he could trust.
RP: Were the beatings like the torture in Abu Ghraib?
TH: Yes, similar. I cant elaborate on this, though,
for legal reasons, but it will all come out in due course.
Even though I was geared up to expect the worst, it was terrible
to hear all this from your own son. It wasnt very pleasant
at all. David said that he had seen some terrible things happen
to others, which were very unsettling, and that he had some very
down periods. He did say that having us there had boosted him
and would help to keep his morale up.
I told the media that the report by the released British prisoners
was very close to what David had described. Of course, the Howard
government tried to downplay that report and said it was biased,
but theyre in a bind because theyve told so many lies.
They have to keep the cover-up going, but as they continue lying
theyre digging themselves into a bigger hole. As I explained
to the press, how the hell would David know what the British blokes
had written?
One smart-Alec from the media mentioned the torture and abuse
and asked: What do you think of the military and the Americans?
I told them Ive got nothing against the military or the
American people; my differences are with those sending the messages
from the top. I even had a couple of American soldiers tell me
while I was there that they agreed with me. I dont blame
them for the situation. These people are under pressure and if
theyre thrown out of the services, there is nothingunemployment
is high in the US and theres no welfare or anything like
that.
RP: Whats your comment on the Howard governments
claims today that it has some concerns about the trials?
TH: These statements are absolutely ridiculous. I thought
the Olympic Games had finished but I guess Downer and [Attorney-General
Philip] Ruddock wanted to show their skill doing back-flips.
Weve been hounding these characters for months, explaining
that the trials are unfair. Theyve always responded by insisting
there would be proper legal procedures and that we should trust
the Americans. Suddenly theyve discovered problems.
Why didnt they speak up months and months ago? And what
about their legal obligations as a government to defend Australian
citizens? The trial procedures were not a secret and you dont
have to be a genius to figure out that the prisoners have no rights.
They have no legal representation or independent witnesses during
interrogations or anything. Im not a bloody lawyer, but
its obvious that this is not right.
Downer is past his use-by date and so is Ruddock. Theyve
previously said that David deserved to stay in Guantanamo Bay
and that they didnt want him back in Australia. Now Ruddock
says he wants him to have a fair trialthis is not a response
from a man, but a snake in the grass.
Ruddock and Downer are saying this because there is an election
on and theyre trying to save their own skins by pretending
that they care. But I dont think the Australian people are
stupid enough to fall for this and there are a lot of people out
there angry about this whole business.
The other reason is that the Law Society sent an independent
observer to the hearings and hes written a report. Our guess
is that the government has seen part of this, or knows what he
thinks, and is trying to pre-empt it by pretending to be concerned.
David wrote a two-page report in early 2002 and gave it to
the Australian Federal Police when they visited him in Guantanamo
Bay. But where is it? The government claims to know nothing about
it, but David personally told me about it, as well as a few other
things that Australian officials claim to know nothing about.
Theyre sitting on this and a lot of other things, but
have done everything possible to stop us getting this information.
One newspaper has gone to court twice, unsuccessfully, to get
Freedom of Information access and been blocked. This government
has got a lot to answer for, not just to our family, but to all
Australians. Theyve got a lot of explaining to do.
Ive said from the beginning that whatever David has done
he must be given due processthe entire legal system rests
on this principle. If you pull the rug out on this, then you have
no rights. The Geneva Convention was drawn up to protect prisoners
captured in war and so those who breach its laws, like the Nazis
did, can be taken to task. And this is exactly what should happen
to John Howard and company. David and Mamdouh Habib have endured
beatings and all sorts of illegal acts because of what the Howard
government has done.
See Also:
Hicks pleads not guilty at Guantanamo
Bay "kangaroo court"
[1 September 2004]
New Guantanamo Bay torture
allegations incriminate Australian government
[12 August 2004]
Release Hicks, Habib and
all Guantanamo Bay detainees!
Australian government aids and abets US torture
[18 June 2004]
Father of Guantanamo Bay prisoner
says son has been abused
[21 May 2004]
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