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To encourage people to think more deeply about this
social tragedy
An interview with Olivier Meyrou, director of Beyond Hatred
By Richard Phillips
3 August 2006
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Olivier Meyrou, director of the prizewinning French documentary
Beyond Hatred, spoke with the World Socialist Web Site
during the recent Sydney Film Festival. The film carefully charts
the humane response of the Chenu family to the brutal murder of
Francois, their 29-year-old homosexual son, by skinheads in 2002.
(See review). Meyrou, 40, studied
literature and communication before attending film school in Paris
and New Yorks Tisch School of the Arts. He has worked as
an assistant director of operas and made several documentaries,
including My Own Little Gay America (1996), Zelda (1998)
and Bye Bye Apartheid (2004).
Richard Phillips: Why did you decide to make a film about this
issue?
Olivier Meyrou: Id previously wanted to do a movie about
homophobia and so the murder of Francois Chenuan act of
stupid brutalitywas very emblematic.
RP: How did you find out about the case?
OM: I read about it on the front
page of Le Monde, one month after Francois death,
when three skinhead kids were arrested for his murder. I made
contact with the Chenu family lawyersin France the victims
have attorneysand the lawyers of the three skinheads and
began working on the project. After a year, the Chenu family asked
to meet with me and we decided that they would be in the film.
As the project proceeded, the Chenu family became a more and
more important part of it, because their reaction to Francois
murder was unpredictable, and yet so constructive, that they became
the main element in the film. By speaking through the Chenu parents
I was able to alert audiences about gay bashing and by showing
that this man was such a central part of his familyhe was
not just a shadow in the park in the middle of the nightlift
this tragedy to a more universal level.
RP: How long did it take to make the film?
OM: Overall, I spent two years, but in terms of shooting only
20 days with a total of 18 hours film, which is very little. It
was a painstaking process but I wanted to make sure that everything
was right and have lots of discussions with the family. It was
almost like working in a narrative form. Francois murder
was such a terrible tragedy and I wanted them to be completely
comfortable with how I was proceeding.
RP: Your film certainly transcends the questions of homophobia
and other anti-social actions. Could you elaborate?
OM: My goal at the beginning of this project, before Id
even heard about Francois murder, was to place homophobia
on the same level as racism and other chauvinist ideas. My aim
was to show how these attitudes were driven by similar social
mechanismsthe rejection of other people because they are
in some way different. But the Chenu familys response lifted
the film to another level.
The Chenus had tremendous inner strength and although theyd
lost a son they were determined not to lose their values. This
was difficult, of course, and for the first year the mother said
that she was full of hatred over her sons terrible murder.
But then she and her husband decided that they had to try and
be constructive.
Everything that the family did was based on trying to figure
out the consequences of their actions. They are very socially
conscious people and are always thinking about society and their
duty to that society. This was interesting and very powerful.
RP: Their reaction is entirely at odds with how the media deals
with such tragedies.
OM: Yes, the media response to these sorts of events is horrible.
At the moment the French media is tending to treat Francois Chenu
as an iconthe good gay guybut the week after his body
was found in the water its response was terrible. First of all
it was not Francois Chenu but a gay body found in the water.
Some newspapers even began wrongly speculating on what he might
have been doing in the park. In fact, a certain atmosphere was
created in which it was suggested Francois could have somehow
been responsible for his own fate. I was amazed by the violence
of these articles and wanted my film to be totally different.
Terrible things are occurring in society, but the media always
presents these events in the most sensationalist way. Every night
on the television news you see all sorts of crimesmurders,
rapes and other terrible thingsbut the media always adds
on, presenting these things in a more and more vile way. I wanted
to go the other way with my movie. I wanted to show that one murder
is already an enormous tragedy and to get people to reflect and
try to understand why, to think more deeply.
Of course, the media primarily regards people as consumers
and therefore always sensationalises things in order to sell more
newspapers or get higher ratings.
RP: To confuse and manipulate, as well.
OM: Yes, thats right ... and to scare people. When people
are frightened you can impose all sorts of things. This was the
George Bush method with Iraqto get people scared about weapons
of mass destruction and terrorismand use this to justify
the invasion of Iraq. This is what Jean-Marie Le Pen and other
conservative politicians do in France all the time. Violence by
Arab youth or other groups is elevated into a special issue and
then used politically.
They want people to respond, not with their heads but instinctively,
with their guts. This is exactly what I wanted to avoid.
RP: Is this why the film has a lengthy static shot of the park
where Francois was murdered?
OM: Yes. The easiest way to makes this film would have been
to recreate the murderrestage the act of violencewhich
is what television generally does. But what was noticeable about
this case was the banality of it all.
The park were Francois was killed was extremely ordinary and
so my extended shot in the park, in the failing light, was a way
of showing this banality. It was also to suggest that for Francois
Chenus family this was an almost haunted place, which would
never leave their minds. I didnt use any photos of Francois
because I wanted him to be as universal as possible.
I also wanted to reveal that he was a person of great strength
because he refused to bow down to the taunts and stupid ideas
of the guys who killed him. My aim was to show Francois as someone
who refused to accept this ignorance and violence.
RP: Your documentary has some background on the three skinheads,
but what about the political conditions that produced this murder?
OM: In fact, the guys who committed this murder are really
ignorant individuals and although they were skinheads they were
not Nazis but weak kids with some history of violence in their
families. Those politically responsible for promoting these ideas,
such as Le Pen and others like him, never appear at gay bashing
and racist violence trials. They take no responsibility for what
they create. Its always those on the bottom who are caught
out.
Ive been thinking a lot about these issues. The political
conditions that produced Francois murder come out of an
economic crisis in France that has lasted for 30 years or more
and led to huge unemployment amongst young people. When the economy
slows down and there is high unemployment for many years, even
for a generation, it has dangerous social and political consequences.
When people lose their jobs and become marginalised and confused,
fascist elements can get a voice. We know this from the 1930s
and should be very concerned about it.
Unfortunately most filmmakers in France are blind to these
issues. If you compare French and British cinema there is a real
difference. British cinema has a long tradition of depicting the
social life of working class people and the poor and there have
been many films on these subjects. In France, apart from two or
three exceptions, little of this work has been done. I think it
is the responsibility of the director to look at these things
and to do it intelligently.
My aim was not to just bring more anxiety to audiencesfear
levels are very high alreadybut to create a sense of optimism
and that the Chenu familys outlook shows that there is a
solution, or at least part of the solution, to these tragedies.
These are difficult times and some people turn to religion
and some to violence. But we need humanity and justice, not an
eye for an eye. And we need to return to genuine republican principles,
the values of the republic.
RP: The republic?
OM: The basic principles of the French RevolutionLa Déclaration
des droits de lHomme et du Citoyen [The Declaration of the
Rights of Man and of the Citizen]and its emphasis on basic
human rights. This unfortunately has been forgotten.
RP: Whats been the reaction of the Chenu family to the
film?
OM: Its been very good. Of course this is an unusual
film because they were involved at every stage of its production,
including the editing and the final result. I didnt want
to make something that deeply explored their lives, but which
they didnt see until it first appeared on screen.
RP: How do you respond to those who say that the Chenu family
is naïve in thinking that those who murdered Francois can
be reformed within the French prison system?
OM: Its certainly naïve to suggest that these people
can be suddenly reformed and the Chenus know what the situation
is like inside French prisons. For example, one of these guys
is in a jail where there are 400 inmates but only two social workers.
The authorities dont even think about rehabilitation or
what will happen when these guys get out. But rehabilitation is
not just to help themthe individuals concernedbut
society as a whole.
The Chenu family is not interested in vengeance. They want
to try and repair the damage already done to these guys and somehow
help them deal with the difficulties they now confront in prison.
They want to provide a window and hope that eventually these guys
can rebuild themselves.
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